W8, #4: HIDDEN IN THE JUNGLE

Set-Up: We’ve crossed a certain point in the Lord of the Flies experience — by the beginning of chapter 5 — where it seems that every page is intentionally loaded with imagery. Seems that something vital is cleverly hidden in the jungle by Golding at every turn of the pig trail and curve of the horizon line.

While we don’t pretend to ‘get’ everything he’s throwing our way quite yet, we are developing decent radar for ‘tracking’ a few gems hidden in the creepers along the way.

Challenge:

  • Point out 1 thing that you think is really clever on the part of the author in terms of weaving together a many-layered story that obviously is hinting at something fare more complicated than just having ‘boys on an island’ try to get ‘rescued’.
  • Tell the rest of us what it means and why you think Golding is doing some pretty solid work as a writer in terms of pushing well beyond basic plot/action to hint at something bigger at the end of the novel.

Length: 5+ sentences

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9 responses to “W8, #4: HIDDEN IN THE JUNGLE

  1. What I think is really interesting about this book is how Golding makes a rules free ‘arena’ for these boys to survive in. Golding makes a ‘game on this island, and the boys are the ‘players’ only there are no rules but the rules of survival to this game.

    Others have already shown how grown-ups handle themselves in a situation like this; they each use their own individual talents to their advantage and their own personal rules as their guidelines.

    These boys make the story so much more versatile because they are ‘innocent,’ they’re so young that they don’t really have individual talents yet to use to their advantage and they haven’t developed any personal rules to guide them. Their lives have only been handled for them before by their parents, and without adults there are no rules for these kids. Anything goes. The only thing to stop one of the boys beating up the others is the others themselves. The only reason Golding made them this old is because if they were any younger they’d be helpless. At least now they’re only almost helpless.

    Even though there really are no other actual dangers on the island, Golding makes an environment where even though there are no rules, there is really nothing working against the boys except themselves. Golding shows us how primitive human nature is when there is no previous advantage and survival is the only thing at stake. He also shows that the biggest dangers to people, besides hunger and dehydration, are fear, other people, and each individual themselves.

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    Mr. Long: Really like the idea you led with: “What I think is really interesting about this book is how Golding makes a rules free ‘arena’ for these boys to survive in. Golding makes a ‘game on this island, and the boys are the ‘players’ only there are no rules but the rules of survival to this game.”

    This, however, is one of your best lines…and something I’d recommend that all of your classmates think about: “Others have already shown how grown-ups handle themselves in a situation like this; they each use their own individual talents to their advantage and their own personal rules as their guidelines.” Clever reminder to re-consider the adults (in the real world) — nice job!

    Overall a fantastic answer. I hope your classmates will see what is possible — thanks to your answer — with these entries.

  2. Golding was a very good author, he really knows about human nature; this book showed us about even the kids has a lot of dark side.

    They are become animal like become savage and semi. When the times they stay on the island, the kids are change a lot. The most was Jack, when he saw the “awesome stranger” he knows himself was changing. But he wasn’t afraid he was very happy, because that was what he want, be a hunter becomes a brave warrior. And other important thing is they are afraid of the snake- thing and the monsters. But is there are any monsters? Maybe, but theirs no prove, the monsters are come from your heart, are come from anybody’s dark side. Everybody have dark side even the little kids, depending on bigger or smaller.

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    Mr. Long: Great point re: “human nature”! This becomes a hugely important concept to think about fro the rest of the novel. Those students who really begin to think about this (and find clues in the story) will do very well on any assignment that has to do with this idea.

    And love the last few lines re: the “dark side” concept. Nice job!

  3. Well Golding, I’m pretty sure, is trying to send several messages to his readers. This book is about human nature and how if it humans progress without rules and restraints, the society and culture they create will fall. He is also trying to explain that without rules that humans will become nothing but a bunch of primitive savages. Lastly he is showing the loss of individuality and identity.

    Jack is usually the example used for a lot things in this book. He is one of the first ones to lose his identity and become something other than himself. When Jack and his hunters paint their faces and hunt all day, they become something other than choir boys.

    It is also obvious that Jack is going to be a leader of a very primitive group of boys that just hunt and become a tribe. When doing this they replace something even more important, democracy. When the chains and weights of society are broken, the boys lose everything from their basic ideas of right and wrong to what makes them individuals. This is also the evil of human nature, if it is not trained with certain rules it will go wild, just like a beast…

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    Mr. Long: I’d recommend to any of your classmates to read your response…ASAP! Outstanding response on all levels!!!

  4. Student #1 (follow-up)

    Golding creates an imagery of something lurking in the forest. The forest is so thick with with creepers and layers of bushes. There always seems to be noises and movement, this creates fears among the “littluns” and puts a fear in the older children.

    I think it it is clever for Golding to draw the between Ralph and Jack. Jack gets where he almost becomes part of the island and doesn’t want to be rescued. While Ralph on the other hand is focused on keeping the fire going to keep the possibility of being rescued open.

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    Mr. Long: Very creative way to introduce your ideas: “Golding creates an imagery of something lurking in the forest.” Lurk is a great word to use, too.

  5. Golding is trying to explain to the reader that a society needs order to survive. There has to be people that are able to think and say no to others ideas. Otherwise it can only have a leader and followers. The followers act just like the leader and do what the leader wants. He is explaining that people have to think for themselves and and discuss an idea rather than rush into it.

    Like how Jack says that they need to build a fire now instead of doing what the logical thing to do which was build shelter. Everyone rushes to the mountain and goes on a rampage for wood and anything that could start a fire. They nearly set the whole island on fire and are way out of contol. Piggy is the only one who steps in and tries to stop it. He points out at the end of this event that they had lost a kid. That because they had all gone crazy that they now were missing a young kid and almost set fire to the island.

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    Mr. Long: Very impressive answers, my friend. You definitely get it. And you have no idea how ‘accurate’ the ‘fire’ concept is; stayed tuned ’til the last chapter!

  6. I love how Golding is leading us to believe that the boys themselves are the creatures. There are so many times in the novel where they are compared to as animals, like where Jack snarls or how Ralph and Piggy thought the choir boys were creatures as they were walking up to them “something dark was fumbling along.” (19) It made it seem as if it were some evil creature. Golding even callsthe choir boys creatures at one point, “Then the creature stepped from mirage on to clear sand.” (19) They way Golding phrased everything made it seem like it really was going to be a creature that walked up to them instead of boys. More and more the boys are growing distant from civilzation and closer to being savages.

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    Mr. Long: I agree w/ you re: how he pulls off the comparison b/w the boys and the beastie. The animal-like descriptions are very effective. A great answer overall; well done.

  7. I think Golding did a great job by telling us how the children change and for an example he uses Jack, whoes change is one of the more obvious ones.

    He tells us how Jack gets “obsessed” with hunting and getting meat. I think that when he described to us how Jack painted his face, and then mentions the “awesome stranger”, he shows us how the “change” affects Jack and maybe also foreshadows how the other kids will change too.

    Also, as the story progresses, we see that how Jack doesn’t care about civilization and order any more. “…we don’t need the conch..”. With this quote Golding explains to us that Jack and later also the other kids start to become more animal-like and savage.

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    Mr. Long: A very solid answer, esp. re: the “savage” twist that is taking place finally.

  8. It’s a lot more than boys on an island. He does a great job of showing the boys becoming more savage. It’s a lot more than just a boys stuck on an island. Thet’re transforming into “savages”. He cdoes a great job of showing how they’re becoming more savage. Like wken the come back from the hunt and they’re chanting about killing an animal. The boys are starting to become completely different and it’s a lot more than boys just trying to survive on an island. That’s just one of the many ways in which they became much different and completelt different people. The island changes them on so many levels

  9. In this novel Golding that the more the children explore and understand the island and their surrounding the less the understand themselves, and who they are. Jack is the first to experience this phenomena because he is the first to actually search the island. Ralph is not immune from this because when he goes hunting he enjoys the kill just as much as Jack did. The only people who are immune from the islands effect is Simon and Piggy, which brings up the idea that something will happen to these two, so that the children can have fun. This theory is also displayed in the description in the island, as they search the island its described that will show what disasters will occur there.

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